Shylock
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Post by Shylock on Jul 21, 2008 2:33:22 GMT -5
So yea, the Nintendo Wii is pretty awesome. It's got plenty o great games like Smash Bros Brawl, Mario Galaxy, Sonic and the Seceret Rings, Fire Emblem, The Legend of Zelda, the list goes on and on. Even that Captain Rainbow game coming out is on there, and the guy's name is Nick. No I'm not making that up. ;D
So yea, discuss why the Wii is awesome, or you'll get smited.
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Post by Harry Locke IV on Jul 21, 2008 17:42:16 GMT -5
Wow Nick, I love the choice of options you gave pollers in making a decision. On that note...the Wii is hardly the best system out this generation, in my opinion it is hands down one of the weakest, and this is looking far beyond the fact that a majority of its games are just barely looking better than PS ONE games. That's right...I'm going there. If you look at the titles that have been released, and the titles that are coming out, it is easy to see that Nintendo's concern this generation has not been that of its dedicated fan base. The Nintendo many of us grew up and loved, including myself, has decided to sell their soul to an audience that will flock to Nintendo's smartest and slimiest trick of all time. Placing a Playstation 2 in a left over Apple design case, and gave everyone "cool" remote controls to take place in an "interactive" experience (in other words...look like fools). Now understand, I've got no qualms about the technical concept of Wii...it's genius. But where it fails for me, is the software it is used on. How many Playstation 2 ports is the Wii going to receive before it actually gets a game that may challenge the Xbox 1 in graphics, or doesn't involve me playing a franchise that excites a 6 year old child? While I love Mario and Zelda, they have become way overused...and Nintendo direly needs new franchises that will excite our demographic. So as previously stated in last night's debate at Walter's house, the Wii sucks and will continue to do so. If you want proof, go to gamerankings.com and take the average of the big 3's top 10 games. Who has the lowest score? Well its not the PS3 or 360...that's the only hint you get.
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Post by thetruth on Jul 22, 2008 2:09:26 GMT -5
Bet it was the Virutal Boy
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cledro
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Post by cledro on Jul 22, 2008 15:24:37 GMT -5
honestly i agree with harry. i think the wii is very overrated. ive played several games on it and i dont find it as fun as what it is made out to be. but i am hardly a video game expert. i can count the number of video games i still play today on one hand. i still think MAN: The Movie, VIDEO GAME EDITION would still blow away all fighting games. think about it, how cool would it be to fight as john mcclain in die hard gear vs arnold from terminator, decked out with leather jacket and shades. or maybe chuck norris vs uma thurman with the yellow jumpsuit and japanese sword? it would be totally badass. you could fight in famous arenas like the temple of doom from indiana jones or maybe the japanese restaurant from kill bill. i mean, how cool would it be to fight as samuel L jackson from pulp fiction, and right before he kills you he yells, I DOUBLE DARE YOU, MUTHA FUKA! it would be awesome
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cledro
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Post by cledro on Jul 22, 2008 15:26:54 GMT -5
mmm that IS a tasty burger
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Post by Harry Locke IV on Jul 22, 2008 18:28:13 GMT -5
Clay...please do not tell me you fell into that dastardly trap of Nick's and voted for the second yes, that he put up as an option...
On another note...if Wii was to receive MAN: THE VIDEOGAME EDITION, I would instantly change my mind and consider it the greatest console ever. However, I don't see that coming...so it remains WEAK!!!
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Post by thetruth on Jul 24, 2008 3:09:08 GMT -5
The problem with the Wii is that it produces games kind of like Jim Thome hits baseballs. 1 out of every 5 hits is going to be a homerun. But when you swing for the fences so often you often fail a large percent of the time. IF you look at all three systems you'll notice that they all have a good number of fantasic games. But the difference with the Wii is that it has a hard time coming out with a good- really good game. IF it doesn't smack it out of the park, unfortunally, it produces a really crappy game. The 360 and PS3 on the other hand seem to be able to produce games in all levels of greatness and suckyness. Now it should also be said that the Wii is in a bit of a unique situation as that no system was like the Wii so developers have to learn what they can do and how they can do it. IT needs time like all the systems do. The other two system developers had a head start as most of the tech is recycled from the last system. Though baseing a system off of potential is wrong becuase they all can do great as they have proven. So do to the fact that is is abnormal, the Wii at the moment is designed to hit or miss, and the other two go with the flow.
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Post by Harry Locke IV on Jul 24, 2008 12:53:36 GMT -5
Stellar post Danny! I don't think a Wii nut could have concocted such logic...
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cledro
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Post by cledro on Jul 24, 2008 23:23:56 GMT -5
i voted for the second yes just so that the scoring wasnt so one sided. but i did notice that it was a yes also. i really want to play MAN<THE MOVIE, video game edition.
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Shylock
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Post by Shylock on Jul 25, 2008 1:37:56 GMT -5
So what, it's illogical to think that the Wii is the better of the three systems? I honestly think not. Danny had some good points in his post, and so did you Harry, but what do you expect; that Nintendo is going to just stop making Mario and Zelda games? It's a known fact they're going to be on every system, and just becuase it's the same characters doesn't make the game or gameplay any less rewarding. Play Mario Galaxy and tell me you're not enjoying yourself.
Maybe I just like platformers more, but I'd take Rayman over Gears of War any day. Whereas PS3 and XBox360 have gmaes for pretty much the same demographic (18-34 males who like plenty of violence and bloodshed) the Wii caters to a wide variety of audiences. Is that meaning the hardcore gamers are losing out? No. I think the whole "Wii is for casual gamers" argument is off base. If anything, the Wii's innovative gameplay is pushing away causal gamers. It's more so getting newer gamers into the fold, even if they are 70 year olds at a retirement home. Nintendo is making games that are for everybody, i.e. games that can be fun and worthwhile be you 8 or 80.
Yea, there have been some crappy games put out, and I know it. But the great games that have come out thus far have made up for it.
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Post by Harry Locke IV on Jul 25, 2008 10:33:12 GMT -5
So what, it's illogical to think that the Wii is the better of the three systems? I honestly think not. Danny had some good points in his post, and so did you Harry, but what do you expect; that Nintendo is going to just stop making Mario and Zelda games? It's a known fact they're going to be on every system, and just becuase it's the same characters doesn't make the game or gameplay any less rewarding. Play Mario Galaxy and tell me you're not enjoying yourself. Maybe I just like platformers more, but I'd take Rayman over Gears of War any day. Whereas PS3 and XBox360 have gmaes for pretty much the same demographic (18-34 males who like plenty of violence and bloodshed) the Wii caters to a wide variety of audiences. Is that meaning the hardcore gamers are losing out? No. I think the whole "Wii is for casual gamers" argument is off base. If anything, the Wii's innovative gameplay is pushing away causal gamers. It's more so getting newer gamers into the fold, even if they are 70 year olds at a retirement home. Nintendo is making games that are for everybody, i.e. games that can be fun and worthwhile be you 8 or 80. Yea, there have been some crappy games put out, and I know it. But the great games that have come out thus far have made up for it. A little off base huh? Why don't you go to the gamefaqs message boards for the Wii and see if its a little off base. There are A LOT of people who are true gamers that are just tired of Wii. Sure Mario and Zelda are great Nick, but those Nintendo staples are only a few games. When those aren't out or are under development, that leaves Wii with long droughts of no good software to play. That's something you cannot deny, look how long that drought of stellar titles was after the first waves of game, almost a year later until Metroid 3 came out. PS3 and 360 do not have such a problem because they have actual 3rd-party members making games. Also, those systems don't have just games that are just violent Nick, thats a little biased. They have a better spectrum of games across the demographic than the Wii does, and looking at the lineups they are of better quality as well. Oh, and I told you I did play Mario Galaxy, and it just wasn't that great to me
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cledro
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Post by cledro on Jul 26, 2008 1:00:18 GMT -5
i like how serious you guys are about this....its almost as good as playing man the movie video game edition, but not quite, bc that game is super duper fantastical. *enter rapid masturbation act with flailing arm motion at the end*
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Post by thetruth on Jul 27, 2008 1:22:38 GMT -5
One- Besides that fact that Zelda and Mario games are really good for the most part and that they are not going to stop being there, there needs to be a change. Everytime there is a poll or powerstanding even, the only games that ever seem to make the top of the list are Mario, Zelda, or a game that is on the other systems. I have no problem with MArio Zelda games, they're great, thats why they keep making them, but there needs to be more. It like going to a resturant and ordering the same thing to eat and drink every time. Sure its great and you can eat and drink alot of any time, but hell, you need someting different every now and then. Two-The Wii is shooting for making Video games accessable to all ages, which is great. Im fine with that. YOu say it makes great games like Mario, awsome. But whatis being sacraficed is depth and difficulty. For the casual gamer, too much depth or difficulty are huge turn offs. It why many people don't like RPG's cause in a way its like reading a book. This is not to say that there are not any games with Depth or difficulty, but on averageWii games have a gimic that can hold your attention only so long. ANd the difficulty is based on how well or poorly the gimic was done. Its kind of liek whatI was talking about why I loved Batman the Dark knight so much. It is a good use of the franchise but it is also a good movie on its own. Wii games have a hard time having both a great idea and a great game. Alot of the times they only have one and fail to implement both. So it not that the Wii can't make a deep difficult game, its just that most of them are dumbed down to attract more players or just not thought out long enough. Building off of a gimic instead of an idea. 3- WHen it comes to droughts, its kind of unfair when the systems have been only out for like a year (excluding the 360). You say that the Wii great launch titles but failed to bring anything to the table until third or forth course. But let's not forget are lonely friend the PS3. Almost everyone I talked too said that they weer going to get a PS3 for the games that were GOING to come out. Many people I know were waiting for GTA4 and MGS4. The PS3 was almost laughable when it came to great titles until a long period of time afterwards. So taking into consideration of time between the titles is tricky because its not necessarily due to the system but the developers. Also, I think its hard to judge just on the hits, the average games should be taken into consideration. 4- When the hell did the phrase "Hard core" gamer become so utterly lame? No really. I hate this saying almost as much as I hate the saying F-bomb ( Please don't argue F-bomb on this topic start a new one if you want Harry keep this about the Wii) Like being a "Hard core" gamer use to mean something. Though I guess today it means something as well. You are beyound lame. It is not the fact that what makes them a "Hard core" gamer lame but the fact that they call themselveas that. THey should just say I play games or alot of games. Calling yourself a "Hard core" gamer is like when people tell you they are humble. It should be reserved for being called that by other people not yourself. 5- Cledro I love you man but stop talking about Man the game. Start a new Topic about it. Or here I will.
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Post by thetruth on Jul 28, 2008 1:59:34 GMT -5
I wrote all that and I get nothing. Come on!!!!!
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Post by caddis02 on Jul 29, 2008 4:03:06 GMT -5
I would have to say that the Wii is the best 7th gen. game system due soley to the ground breaking controller system. Yea sure the game selection is not there mainly from the nature of the controls; nevertheless it's on the front line of changing the player into a more interactive role. Where as before, the gaming generations changes ment an increase speed, definition, on-line capablilities, etc. The Wii is a mile stone for the gaming world, and it is up to Nintendo to get the game demographic into shape so that it may provide longevity for all: enthusiasts and critics alike.
By the way, I base all my support for the Wii solely on playing Rapala Fishing (best game ever). just so you know. haha
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